与《财务自由: 赚到足够的钱的有效方法》作者Grant的简短访谈

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主持人：Erik Fisher

Make Money Work for You

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与Erik Fisher一起探索如何确定你生活中最大的财务杠杆以及使用它们的最佳方式

Discover how to determine the biggest financial levers in your life and the best way to use them with Erik Fisher

引言

有没有想过你赚的钱够不够？首先要做的是--计算你的小时工资率。在这一集里，你会发现如何计算你真正的时薪，并发现你生活中最大的财务杠杆是什么。此外，你将了解到弄清楚自己真正的生活目标是什么，将如何帮助你更好的来规划时间和金钱，用你真正想要的方式。

What's it about?

Ever wonder if you're making enough money? First thing to do-calculate your hourly pay rate. In this episode, you'll find out how to calculate your true hourly pay rate and discover what the biggest financial levers in your life are. Plus, you'll learn how asking yourself what your true life goals are will help you make the time and money trade-off work for you in the way you really want it to.

适合谁？

- 任何觉得自己只为赚钱而工作的人

- 那些似乎把所有时间都花在工作上的人

- 想赚更多钱、花更少钱，或两者兼而有之的人

Who's it for?

- Anyone who feels they only work to bring in money

- Those who seem to spend all their time working

- People who want to earn more, spend less, or both

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A: 主持人

大家好，我是埃里克-费舍尔，欢迎来到《超越待办事项清单》每集的短播。

我与有新鲜想法的人交谈，以帮助你更快乐和更有效率。

Hello, I'm Eric Fisher and welcome to the shortcast of Beyond the to-do list in every episode.

I talk to people with fresh ideas to help you be happier and more productive. 

考虑一下你的生活，你有多认同金钱控制了一切？在我们绝大多数人中，总是去做最划算的交易，而不是做真正快乐的事情。为了挣钱以维持我们认为我们应该有的生活水平。所以我们的时间都花在了追逐金钱上。我们为了金钱而放弃了一天中最好的时间和生命中最好的年华。

When you think about your life, how much do you feel like money controls it? In the vast majority of us, make the trade-off doing something that were at best okay with, instead of being truly happy doing. In order to earn money to maintain the standard of living we think we ought to have. So our time gets spent chasing money. We give up the best hours of our days and the best years of our lives for cash. 

今天的文章是关于这两件事：时间和金钱。出发点是至关重要的：财务自由不是一个数字，它是关于了解自己和自己的生活。

Today's shortcast is about those two things: time and money. The starting point is a vital one : Financial Freedom is not a number, it's about understanding yourself and your life. 

B: 嘉宾

财务自由这个东西实际上只是为了帮助你在晚上安然入睡而已。因此，你越能了解自己，就越容易弄清楚你需要多少钱才能获得自由。

Financial Freedom actually is really whatever helps you sleep at night. So the more you can know yourself the easier it is to figure out how much money you're going to need to be free.

A: 主持人

是的，这是一个非常好的观点，财务自由的定义因人而异。格兰特-萨巴蒂尔是一家投资公司的创始人，他写了一本名为《财务自由: 赚到足够的钱的有效方法》。在本文中，格兰特解释了:

- 我们应该如何诚实面对自己；

- 为什么我们想要更多的钱；

- 这真的是我们想要追求的东西吗？

Yeah, it's a really good point that Financial Freedom is relative to who you are. Grant Sabatier is the founder of millennial money and he's written a book called Financial Freedom - a proven path to all the money you will ever need. In the shortcast Grant explains:

- How we should all be honest with ourselves; 

- Why do we even want more money? 

- Is it actually the right thing for us to pursue? 

他质疑了传统金融家的建议，即减少咖啡和外出饮酒等事情，而是要求我们关注我们生活中的重要金钱杠杆。我们首先讨论了社会上如何以错误的方式计算我们的收入。我们所认为的时薪往往与现实相差甚远。

He questions traditional Financial advice to cut back on things like coffees and going out for drinks and instead asks us to focus on the big money levers in our lives. And we start by discussing how world calculating our earnings in the wrong way. What we think of as our hourly rate is often quite far from reality.

很多人赚的钱比他们意识到的要少得多，因为他们认为，哦，你知道我一年赚了50,000美元，转换成更小的单位，好像他们每小时赚40美元。但他们没有考虑到他们所花费的所有时间。因为他们的工作，他们必须要花费的时间，他们必须为赚钱而工作。你知道你在某个时间醒来，你准备好，你通勤，我的意思是平均每个美国人每天单程通勤近一个小时。如果你不需要为钱工作，你就不需要这样做。

B: 嘉宾

A lot of people are making a lot less money than they realize, because they think, oh, you know, I am making  $50,000 a year,  and they break it out, like they are making about $40 or $30 an hour. But they don't factor in all that time that they spends. Because of their job that they wouldn't have to spend it,  they have to work for money. You know you wake up at a certain time, you get ready,  you commute,  I mean the average American commutes almost an hour a day each way. You wouldn't do that if you didn't have to work for money. 

如果你为工作而出差，我以我的一个朋友做个简单的计算，他是一个管理顾问。他的年薪是25万美元，你知道这是一份很好的薪水，但他一年中有40周都要在外面，而且他有两个小孩。当我们实际考虑到他出差和离家的所有时间，他每小时的收入大约是30美元。这让他脑子都蒙了，他立刻辞掉了他的工作。他去了另一家公司工作，那家公司付给他的钱要少得多，但他不必出差，因此他的实际的我称之为有效时薪，最后涨到了每小时40美元以上。这是在除去所有旅行时间和通勤时间后，你每小时实际赚取的税后金额。因此，他赚的钱少了，但他的有效时薪，即用时间换来的东西，要高得多。那么这就是个由你来决定的大问题，在一天结束时，你觉得这是否值得。生活中的一切都是一个权衡问题。

And if you travel for work and I did this simple exercise with one of my friends who is a Management Consultant. He was making $250,000 a year, you know a great salary, but he had to be on the road like 40 weeks out of the year. When we actually factored in all the time that he had to travel and be away from home, you know he has two little kids. You know we figured out that he was making about $30 per hour. And this like blew in mind and this completely blew in mind that he ended up here, we mean his job. Going and working at a company that paid him significantly less money but he didn't have to travel, and so his actually I called the effective hourly rate, which is how much you're actually making per hour after taxes, after take out all the travel time and all the commuting time, ended up going up to over $40 an hour. So he's making less money but his effective hourly rate so what is trading time for, is much higher. And then a big question is up to you to determine, is it worth it at the end of the day. Everything in life is about trade-offs.

A: 主持人

格兰特计算我们真实时薪的新方法是一个启示。当然，如果我们的工作要一直出差，那我们宁愿呆在家里。那么，无论是否支付了费用，每一个小时的出差都有成本。在时间占用和所赚取的价值的交易上，我们应该进行诚实的评估。

Grant's new way of working out our true hourly rate is a revelation. Of course, if we're away the whole time with our job and we would rather be at home. Then every hour of travel is costing us whether we paid for it or not. The value of what we earn has to be held up against an honest assessment of what we are really trading off in terms of time.

挣钱是一回事，花钱是另一回事。传统理财建议告诉我们要尽可能地削减开支。但格兰特认为，这只是舍本逐末，真正重要的地方不在这些里面。

Earning is one thing and spending is another. Traditional Financial advice tells us to cut back where we can. But Grant thinks that's just going after the small fry when the big Financial fish are somewhere different. 

B: 嘉宾

就像生活中的很多人，还有很多个人理财专家，他们告诉你要减少咖啡或拿铁或葡萄酒。但实际上，要做的是在那些你花钱最多的地方节省开支，在你花时间最多的地方来节省时间，才能效果最大化。

Like a lot of people in life, and a lot of personal finance experts they tell you to cut back on the coffee or the latte or glass of wine. When in reality what moves the needle is you are going to save the most amount of money on those, just like you're going to save the most amount of time on those areas where you spend the most amount of money or where you spend the most amount of time.

人们喜欢直接去做副业，他们试图直接推出自己的公司，而实际上，你应该从优化你赚得最多的领域开始，也就是你的全职工作，并确保你从它那里获得尽可能多的钱，此外，将它作为未来的最佳启动平台。同样的道理，就像美国人平均花费70%的收入在住房和交通上，而不是在食物上。你通过削减你的住房和交通来获得最大的节省，而不是通过削减所有这些零碎开支，这些都是来使一个人更快乐的有用开支。

People like go right to the side hustle, they tried to go right launching their own company. When in reality you should start by optimizing the area where you're making the most money which is your full-time job, and make sure that you're getting as much money as possible out of it, and in addition to using it as the best launching pad for the future. And the same thing goes like the average American spends 70% of their income on housing and transportation than in food. You get the most savings by cutting back on your housing and transportation, not by just cutting back on all this small purchases that tend to make a happiest.

还有，我们的文化，总是让我们有种稀缺心态，总是觉得自己钱少，所以就总是喜欢削减，消减这，消减那, 甚至现在我们关注到还有更多的学生债务，信用卡债务，和所有其他债务。如果你有债务，这很糟糕，你需要拿出一个计划。但是，如果你有3万美元的学生债务，那么很多人就会想大家都借了，以后慢慢还。他们以此为借口，不过度关注它。但是，如果你能走出去，获得30,000美元的加薪，你就可以在一两年内还清，而不是让它在未来十年内给你带来压力。相反，你能削减多少东西是有限度的，你能优化多少时间也是有限度的。你能赚多少钱是没有限制的。你知道，这就是我们总是深陷其中的稀缺心态现象，我们的大脑专注于解决我们缺少东西的问题，而没有考虑我们已经获得的或者其他的可用条件。

So we always as a culture default to this like scarcity mindset where it's always like that cut back, even now we're so focused on like student debt, credit card debt,  all this debt, and yes if you have debt, it sucks. You need to come up with a plan for it. But if you have like $30,000 in student long debt, so many people use that as an anchor or culture. They use it as a excuse to not in a over-focus on it. But if you can go out and get a $30,000 raise, you can pay off that in a year or two as opposed to having it stress you out for the next decade. And there is a limit to how much you can cut back anything and there's a limit to how much you can optimize your time. But there's not a limit to how much money you can make, there's not. You know, it's like we're always so focused on culture of that scarcity mindset.

A: 主持人

格兰特的逻辑是不可否认的，要想有最大的改变，就要拉动最有力的杠杆。最好赚的钱是你的主要工作，而不是你的副业；成本最大的是住房和交通，而不是你每天的拿铁咖啡。有了对资金进出的更好理解，现在是时候检查了。我们是否根据我们的价值观和生活目标，对金钱做出了有意识的选择。我们是否只是错误地认为更多的东西总是等于更好。

Grant's logic is undeniable, to make the biggest difference, pull on the most powerful levers. Earnings wise that's your main job not your side hustle. And cost wise it's housing and transport not your daily latte. Armed with a better understanding of the money going in and out it's time to check. Are we making conscious choices about money, based on our values and life goals. Are we just assuming wrongly that more always equals better.

格兰特认为，了解我们自己与时间和金钱关系的关键部分是对自己诚实和直接，确定我们在生活中想要什么。以及我们是否可能已经拥有了它。

Grant thinks the key part of understanding our own relationships with time and money is being honest and direct with ourselves and identifying what we want in life. And whether perhaps we might already have it.

B: 嘉宾

财务自由的第一步是明确性。我的意思是，为了在生活上到达某个你希望的水平，你必须从你的位置开始，真正清楚你的位置，这意味着你的资产的确切数字，你知道如何计算你的净资产，这是你需要做的第一件事。 你的净资产就是你的资产减去你的负债。你的资产，任何你能卖掉的东西，任何有价值的东西，减去你的负债，就是你的债务，你欠别人多少钱，信用卡，学生贷款，你的个人债务，按揭贷款或信用卡账单。然后你从你有价值的东西中减去这些，你就得到你的净资产。大多数人不会这样做，当我第一次这样做时，你知道，它是负的22,000美元。你知道，你刚开始做的时候，你的净资产可能是负的。大多数人是负的。这没关系。所以很多人都是从这个点开始的。但你必须对自己的处境诚实。

The first step of Financial Freedom is clarity. I mean in order to get anywhere you want to get in life you have to start with where you are and get really clear and where you are and that means with your numbers you know just how to calculate your net worth that's the first thing you need to do.  That your net worth is just your assets minus your liabilities. Your assets, anything you can sell, worth anything, and minus you liabilities, just your debt, how much you owe people, credit card, student loans, your personal debt, mortgage or card payment. And then you minus that from what you have value, and you get your net worth. Most people won't do this, when I first did this, you know, it was negative $22,000. You know, you just start it out, your net worth may be negative. Most people are negative. That's OK. So many people start from that point. But you just have to be honest with yourself about where you are. 

另一件你需要弄清楚的事情是你的生活。这么多人，如果你现在真正停下来，环顾你的生活，你知道，也许你有一个伴侣，或妻子，或丈夫，你知道，你真的爱他(她)。也许还有你的孩子，你真的爱他们。 也许你有很好的朋友，你们住在一个很好的社区。在你的工作中，你喜欢和你一起工作的人。也许你没有赚到你想要的那么多钱。也许你的老板让你感到压力，但总的来说，你热爱你的生活。这些事情说明了一点，这些人里面的选择，是因为生活总是比金钱更重要。有很多人天生就喜欢追逐下一件事，无论是升职还是百万美元，或者，你知道有句谚语，其他地方的草总是更绿。但是很多人甚至没有赚到很多钱，已经赢了比赛，你认真的问自己，看看你的生活，为什么我还要更多的钱？那样可以让我有更多时间陪伴我的孩子吗？这个问题有点类似是什么驱使你做到了现在这样。之所以要这样问，因为你可能已经赢得了比赛。

The other thing that you need to get clarity on it is your life. And so many people, if you truly stop right now, and you look around your life, and you know, maybe you have a partner wife, or a husband,  you know,  that you really love. Maybe you have kids,  that you really love.  Maybe you got great friends, you live in a great community. In your job, you know, you like the people you work with. Maybe you're not making as much money as you want. Maybe your boss stresses you out but by in large you love your life. And that's one of those things, there's a lot of people out there because this is the thing life is always more important than money. There are a lot of people out there that they were naturally wired to chase that next thing, whether it's the job promotion or the million dollars or, you know, the grass is always greener somewhere else. But so many people even they are not making a lot of money, have already won the game, you know and so really ask, looking at your life and being like, why do I even want more money? Is it so I can spend more time with my kids, like what is even driving me here? Because you might have already won the game.

审视你与时间和金钱的关系，意识到实际上你已经在你需要的地方了，这可能是一个很有意义的结果。因此，也许你不需要为了加薪而去追逐升职，甚至现在你知道它只是给你带来压力，让你远离家庭。

A: 主持人

What might be a great outcome of looking at your relationship with time and money realizing that actually you're already right where you need to be. So perhaps you don't need to go chasing the promotion just for the pay raise, even now you know it was just stressing you out and take away from your family. 

格兰特为金钱问题带来了一些急需的常识：

- 了解你目前的工作迫使你做出的时间交易是否经济

- 然后确定你最大的财务收支，这样你就可以在需要时调整它们

- 但最重要的是，要弄清楚你真正想要的生活，并接受追逐更多的钱事实上可能会让你离你想要的地方更远

Grant has brought some much-needed common sense to the money issue. Understand the time trade-offs your current job forces you to make. Are they worth it? Then identify your biggest Financial lever, so you can adjust them if you need to. But most importantly work out what you actually want out of life and accept that chasing more money might in fact take you further away from where you want to be.

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